Lite Dark Eldar rykten...

[benmannen]

Nu är Codexet bara en vecka bort och lite rätt insatta rykten börjar dyka upp.

Det ser inget bra ut för Dark Eldar. De verkar helt ha stekt armén. Många många nerfar. Jag har sett några få saker som blivit bättre, men det är långt mellan dem. Men som sagt, det här är rykten, vi vet på lördag... Det värsta tycker jag är att de verkar ha gjort listan tråkigare. Tagit bort en massa som gjorde Dark Eldarna unika... Tex ska tydligen Web Wayportalen bara göra så att en HQ kan deepa med en valfri enhet och inte scattra... Visst det kan ju vara bra men fanken vilken tråkigt regeländring.

Det är är från Warseer:

Huskblades are ap3, cheaper, not a relic
- Racks now work on all Splinter weapons
- Wych weapons nerfed. Hydras confer Shred, Razors reroll To Hit, Shardnet/Impaler reroll 1s on To Hit and To Wound
- Stun Claw is +1S, ap6, confers ID in challenge
- Shadow Field is more expensive
- Incubi are still ap2
- Torment Gren. Launchers can now be fired, 24", blast, s1, unit hit tests Ld, takes a wound for each point it failed, no armor or cover saves, doesnt work against ATSKNF
- Night Shield confers Stealth
- Hex Rifle inflicts ID on Precision Hits
- Soul Trap gives +1s for each usnaved wound inflicted in a challenge
- Reavers no longer attack while moving, now bladevanes are improved HoW. Caltrops inflict D6 rending HoWs, Gravs inflict Concussive
- Spirit Probe now improves FnP of all Deldar in 6" by 1 to a max od 4+
- Phantasm works like TGL, shorter range
- Ossefactor is assault 1, fleshbane, ap2. If something is killed then the victims unit get d6 hits with s equal to t of the victim, ap-, ignores cover
- Liquifier is now s3
- Implosion Msls are s6 ap2 blast
- Chain Flails now only give Shred
- Talos has 3 attacks, same as Cronos
- Borh Haemy and Archon improve PfP, they let a unit add a 1 to the turn number for PrP, this stacks
- Warlord traits are ultrashitty, one gives the warlord +1 ws...
- Artefacts look average too, there is the old Djinn blade which works almost the same, a helmet that gives adamantium will in 12" and perils on any double, a terrible pistol, an ghostplate that gives -2 Ld in 6" and Fear, also one of the items does not work against atsknf. There is also Animus Vitae which is a one use, assault 1, s4 ap2, 8" that if a unsaved wound is inflicted lets all Deldar add 1 to the turn number for PfP effects until the end of the game
- it says that Dodge now works against any wounds inflicted in fight sub phase, I am nit sure if overwatch counts or not
- bomber is 10 av on all sides
- it looks like Venom Blade can only be taken by the Acothyst now
- no flickerfields for anything other than venoms
- sails let a vehicle flat out 24"
- lances on infantry are a bit cheaper

Och sen dök en uppdatering upp.

- I am now almost sure that Venom Blade can be taken on the Acothyst only. There are two different weapons table for Coven and non Coven units. Coven units get VB, ECW, Scissorhand, Flesh Gauntlet, Mindphase, and Agoniser. Out of these, VB and ECW can only be taken on the Acothyst. Non Coven units get Power Sword (no option for other types) and Agoniser, that's it. So I Imagine the old VBs of all the kits will now be Power Swords. Also, Heamy can no longer take Power Weapons (unless it's specified directly in his profile, I haven't seen it)
- Harlequins are gone from the codex
- Agoniser is now Poison 4+, still AP3, same cost
- Scissorhand is Poison 4+, Rending
- ECW is Poison 5+ (sic), AP3, Concussive and is also the most expensive of all Coven weapons
- Flesh Gauntlet is Poison 4+, ID on 6 To Hit
- PGL does NOT confer grenades anymore - I have not seen the Incubi profile page, so cannot say if they've gained grenades or not
- both PGL and TGL do not work against ATSKNF
- Monoscythe, Shatterfield and Necrotoxin missles haven't changed
- there are no new ranged weapons other than Ossefactor and Dark Scythe (24", S8, AP2, blast, only on Bomber), that info about AP2 blast for Talos also seems incorrect, I think someone confused Stinger Pod for it (which hasn't changed)
- Reaver save is still 5+, all HoW attacks are Rending, base is 1 S4 hit, Caltrops D6 S6, Grav is 1 S4 Concussive
- significant stat changes for Beasts: Khymeras are now S4/T4 (majority T4 for a Khymera pack!), Flocks are nerfed hard, now WS2 (!), A4, W3, Fiend is now WS3, W3 (so even worse than before)
- someone has a Power Lance (I can see it's profile in the summary) in the codex, but I have no specific unit pages so unsure. However, the most logical choice are Scourges, who have a polearm model option for the Solarite
- Cronos weapons stayed the same, they lost their additional support effects though, because Cronos now has a passive aura around itself (described in my prev. post). This is my conjecture but I think Talos and Cronos can be mixed in the same unit for a nice effect of 2 Taloi and a Cronos, with 4+ FnP on all of them
- Baleblast now indeed has Soul Blaze instead of Pinning. Mandrakes also lost their 5++, which means the leak about them having Stealth and Shrouded instead is almost certainly true
- I correct myself - Archon only boosts PfP turn number when fielded in the new DE detachment which also grants 5+ cover save for Troops and 6+ cover save for everything else on the first turn (but only if Night Fight occurs, lolz, so there is a chance your detachment will grant you nothing)
- Shock Prow now gives AV14 when ramming
- Chain Snares now let a vehicle Tank Shock but not Ram
- Splinter Cannons are Salvo 4/6 and got more expensive (so a double nerf)
- Someone in the codex has a Crucible of Malediction (most likely Haemy) - once per game, all Psyker units (Brotherhoods included) within 3D6" suffer a S6 hit with no saves of any kind allowed
- Artefacts are:
-- Animus Vitae - already described this in my other post
-- Archangel of Pain - once per game, all units within 9" test Ld with a -2 penalty, then take a wound with no cover/armor saves for each point they failed. Sounds great BUT this does not work against ATSKNF! What the hell!
-- Armour of Misery - a Ghostplate with Fear and -2 Ld penalty to all enemy units within 6"
-- Djin Blade - AP3, +2 Attacks, after all attacks roll D6, on 1 the bearer suffers a wound with no saves
-- Helm of Spite - Adamantium Will for all friendly units within 12", Psykers within 12" suffer Perils on any double. This, imo, is the best out of the artefacts
-- Parasite's Kiss - Pistol, Poison 2+, Master-crafted, after inflicting an unsaved wound, the bearer restores a single wound. Turbocrap.

[kraftman]

Ja, det där låter ju inte bra !

Finns det inga nya BRA grejer ? Vore ju kul att kolla i codexen innan man köper den...så man vet om det är värt.

[Flogger]

Har allting fortfarande poison?

[Halvar]

jag hittar inget om vad power through pain faktiskt gör nu, bara att det verkar bli bättre för varje runda och vissa saker gör att man kan hoppa upp ett steg på den stegen. jag förmodar att utplånandet av en enhet kommer ge +1 på det också men vad händer med grejerna? får man FnP redan runda tre även om man fegar sig bakom ett hus vid ett objektiv?

[Ancalagon]

Runda 1: Inget
Runda 2: Fnp 6+
Runda 3: Fnp 5+
Runda 4: Furious Charge
Runda 5: Fearless
Runda 6: Rage

Archon kan boosta PfP i nya detachment, som också ger alla Troops 5+ cover save första rundan och allt annat 6+ (plus Stealth från night fight).

[Loudhoward]

Hittade lite andra rykten på darkcity, som verkade lite mer positiva.

Archons har access till "Arcane gear" eller något liknande. Kort och gott kan han plocka en jetbike eller hellionbräda.

Beastpack är max 12 modeller.
Court of Archon max 12 modeller
Hellions 3p billigare

Ingen aning om hur tillförlitligt det är men man kan ju hoppas att det finns lite roliga saker i boken efter allt trist som fokus varit på sofar!

[Ancalagon]

Man kan ju spela 6 razorwing jetfighters och 3 voidraven bombers i ett detachment

[benmannen]

Hehe, loudhoward, hälften där lät inte såbra... Men sköj med en archon på Hellboard, och att Helliond gått ner till 13p är bra, framförallt som Combat Drugs verkar bli sämre också...

Bra med stora flygaredetachments... Så man verkligen kan gödsla med överprissatta flygare

[Yabob]

jag hittar inget om vad power through pain faktiskt gör nu, bara att det verkar bli bättre för varje runda och vissa saker gör att man kan hoppa upp ett steg på den stegen. jag förmodar att utplånandet av en enhet kommer ge +1 på det också men vad händer med grejerna? får man FnP redan runda tre även om man fegar sig bakom ett hus vid ett objektiv?

Vad du gör på brädet spelar ingen roll tydligen (är inte alls kopplat till att döda saker längre). Är det runda X så har hela armén de aktuella reglerna. Archonen kan boosta i formationen som nämnts. Att ha en Haemonculus i enheten gör samma sak (dvs du ligger en runda längre fram). Även Urien verkar åstadkomma detta, men förefaller även sprida det till enheter i närheten.


Senaste uppsättningen rykten (lägger man ihop ryktena så tycker jag att det börjar kännas intressant).

>Wyches invulnerable saves says it works against all wounds in the Fight Sub Phase.
>Combat Drugs work very much the same as before with no FNP option. They are still random and give a +1 to attacks, strength, initiative, toughness, weapon skill, or leadership.

>Warlord Traits

Dark Eldar within 12" have Fear
Can re-roll the dice for seize the initiative, for night fight, and reserves
Warlord gets Rage
Warlord gets Hatred
Warlord gets +1WS
Dark Eldar within 12" have Fearless

>Court of the Archon is now 1-12 models chosen in any combination from the four types (So can have 12 Sslyths if you want etc, this same exact method is applied to the Beastmasters where you now dont even need to take Beastmasters if you wanted to), Lhamean 10pts, Ur-ghul 15pts, Medusae 25pts and Sslyth 25pts, can take a Venom or Raider. Stats wise they look the same as before, some equipment changed though. The Lhamean now has a Shaimeshi blade, 2+ Poison with a to wound roll of 6 causing instant death (there's quite a few weapons with this rule). The Medusae's Eyeburst changed to a S4 AP3 Template.

>Hellions are fast attack, no way to change, same for Wracks (Elites) the only two squads that change their role are the Kabalite Warriors when they upgrade (3pts per model) to Trueborn and the Wyches upgrading to Bloodbrides (3pts per model), they both are then considered Elites.

>The Succubus has a new weapon exclusive to her, the Archite Glaive which can be used one or two handed, One handed is S: User AP3 melee while the other is +1S, AP2 and two handed.

>Dark Scythes are 24" S8 AP2 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

>Raiders and Venoms are both 55 points base.

>Archons, Succubi, and Haemonculii can all take a Webway Portal for 35pts.

>Raiders, Venoms and Ravagers now have Deep Strike

>Wyches can take three special melee weapons if the unit is at least 10 models.

>Lelith and Drazhar have Rampage.

>No Lord of War, no Vect

>Real Space Raider Detachment: 1 HQ 2 Troops 1 Fast Attack are compulsory, but you can take up to 6 Fast Attack in one detachment.

>Gives a cover save of a 5+ to Troops in the first round and any round with Nightfight. Non-troops get a 6+

>Razorwing Jetfighter is now Fast Attack

>New Voidraven bomb is S9 AP2 Lance Large blast

>Webway Portal is an item that gives the carrier and unit Deep Strike without scatter.

>Talos/Cronos in units of 1-3, T7 3W points near a Wraithlord. Both have FNP. Talos has a new weapon option, 24" S5 AP2 Small blast.

>Cronos is cheaper, has AP3 and buffs for friendly units

>Beast packs have changed - minimum (ska nog stå maximum) 12 models (of whatever type); Chimeras have the Daemon special rule. Razorwing Flocks only have 3A. Clawed Fiend is cheaper.

>Splinter Cannon is, 4/6 Salvo. Shredder does not have Mono-filament, but does have Shred.

>As for the Mandrakes, they lost the 5++, but got Shrouded and Stealth. They also start automatically with Baleblast and the only change to it is instead of pinning it has got Soul Blaze.

>Clonefield is a 4++ save. Shadow field the same as before.

>Power from Pain gives a set bonus depending upon what round it is, with no other requirements. The bonuses stack, so by the end of the game, your units really have a lot of bonuses.

>1. None,
>2. FNP 6+
>3. FNP 5+
>4. Furious Charge
>5. Fearless
>6. Rage

[sefiii]

Jag har inte spelat DE så länge, fått in kanske tre matcher.

Men litet smått så kan jag tycka att när det Stacking bonuses per runda är bra för att du är menad att döda mycket snabbt_(fluff och crunch wise) och om du inte gör det är du oftast död oavsett. Det är dåligt för att det är inte så att DE skulle överleva till runda 6 alltför ofta. T3, mycket kan ID'a dig. Du har inte FnP på mycket snabbt längre.

Antipsyker Item är välkommet.
Inte alltför oväntat att Satonyx och sliscus är borta, även om de kommer att vara saknade av mig..... ;_; Requiescat en sodomi
Dyrare splinter cannons som är salvo är väl inte alltför oväntat, om än synd. Vägs dock upp litet av det kommer billigare Dark lances.
Ny flyer? yay.
Nya bundles.
yay.

Still better than GK säger jag...